>>> > > > DR. ROBERT REDFIELD, A FORMER CDC DIRECTOR, IS SPEAKING UP FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME PHRASE PUBLICLY WHERE HE BELIEVES THE CORONAVIRUS THAT CAUSED THE PANDEMIC CAME FROM. THESE EXTRAORDINARY REMARKS ARE AVAILABLE IN A CNN DOCUMENTARY BROADCASTING THIS WEEKEND. DR. SANJAY GUPTA SIGNS UP WITH US NOW. DR. REDFIELD SAYS HE'' S OFFERING HIS VIEWPOINT, BUT I BELIEVE YOU ' RE ABOUT TO DAMAGE SOME QUITE SUBSTANTIAL NEWS RIGHT HERE >>. > > YEAH, THIS WAS EXTRAORDINARY, JOHN.FOR CERTAIN. HE IS THE FORMER CDC DIRECTOR. HE SPENT HIS ENTIRE OCCUPATION AS A VIROLOGIST. I TALKED TO ALL 6 OF THESE DOCTORS IN THE KINDS OF AN POSTMORTEM EXAMINATION. REALLY TO METICULOUSLY DISSECT EXACTLY WHAT OCCURRED RIGHT HERE. REALLY NO PREAGENDA. DR. REDFIELD WHEN WE SAT DOWN TO TALK, HE DESIRED TO BEGIN AT THE START. THE ORIGINS OF THIS VIRUS. WHAT HE THOUGHT REALLY TRANSPIRED. TAKE A LISTEN. >> > > IF I WAS TO GUESS, THIS VIRUS BEGAN TRANSMITTING SOMEWHERE IN SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER IN WUHAN.
>> > > SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER >>? > > THAT ' S MY OWN VIEW. IT ' S ONLY AN OPINION. I'' M ALLOWED TO HAVE OPINIONS NOW. I'' M OF THE POINT OF SIGHT THAT I STILL BELIEVE ONE OF THE MOST LIKELY IDOLOGY OF THIS PATHOLOGY IN WUHAN WAS FROM A RESEARCH LABORATORY. GOTTEN AWAY. OTHER PEOPLE DON'' T BELIEVE THAT. THAT ' S PENALTY. SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH WILL EVENTUALLY FIGURE IT OUT. IT'' S NOT UNUSUAL FOR RESPIRATORY VIRUS THAT ARE BEING WORKED ON IN A RESEARCH LABORATORY TO CONTAMINATE THE RESEARCH LABORATORY WORKER.
>> > >'IT ' S ALSO NOT UNUSUAL FOR THAT SORT OF RESEARCH TO BE OCCURRING IN WUHAN. THE CITY IS A WIDELY KNOWN CENTER FOR VIRAL RESEARCH STUDIES IN CHINA, INCLUDING THE WUHAN INSTITUTE OF VIROLOGY, WHICH HAS ACTUALLY TRIED OUT THOROUGHLY WITH BAT CORONAVIRUSES. >> > >'IT ' S An EXCEPTIONAL CONVERSATION. I SEEM LIKE WE ' RE HAVING RIGHT HERE. BECAUSE YOU ARE THE PREVIOUS CDC DIRECTOR, AS WELL AS YOU WERE THE SUPERVISOR AT THE TIME THIS WAS ALL HAPPENING. >> > > FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME, THE FORMER CDC DIRECTOR IS SPECIFYING OPENLY THAT HE THINKS THIS PANDEMIC BEGAN MONTHS EARLIER THAN WE KNEW.AND THAT IT ORIGINATED, NOT AT A DAMP MARKET, BUT INSIDE A LAB IN CHINA. >> > > THESE ARE TWO SUBSTANTIAL POINTS TO SAY. >> > > THAT ' S NOT IMPLYING ANY INTENTIONALITY. IT'' S MY POINT OF VIEW, RIGHT? BUT I AM A VIROLOGIST. I HAVE USED MY LIFE IN VIROLOGY. I DO NOT BELIEVE THIS SOMEHOW CAME FROM A BAT TO A HUMAN BEING AND ALSO THEN IN TIME, THE INFECTIONS CAME TO THE HUMAN, TURNED INTO ONE OF THE A LOT OF INFECTIOUS VIRUSES THAT WE UNDERSTAND IN HUMANITY FOR HUMAN-TO-HUMAN TRANSMISSION. NORMALLY IT TAKES SOME TIME FOR IT TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO BECOME A GROWING NUMBER OF EFFECTIVE IN HUMAN BEING TO HUMAN TRANSMISSION.I JUST DON ' T THINK THIS MAKES BIOLOGICAL FEELING. >> > > SO IN THE LAB, DO YOU ASSUME THAT PROCEDURES OF BECOMING EVEN MORE EFFICIENT WAS HAPPENING? IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE RECOMMENDING? >> > > LET ' S SIMPLY SAY, I HAVE CORONAVIRUS AND ALSO I'' M DEALING WITH IT. THE MAJORITY OF US IN THE LAB ARE TRYING TO GROW INFECTION. WE TRY TO MAKE IT EXPAND BETTER AND ALSO BETTER AND BETTER AS WELL AS FAR BETTER SO WE CONTAINER DO EXPERIMENTS AS WELL AS FIGURE BOUGHT IT. THAT'' S THE MEANS I PUT IT WITH EACH OTHER. >> > >'IT ' S A PRETTY PHENOMENAL CONVERSATION. AND A LITTLE LOOK OF WHAT WE EXPOSED KIND OF WITHIN THESE PAIR OF HOURS. I NEED TO EXPLAIN, THE GLOBE HEALTH AND WELLNESS ORGANIZATION CALLS THE LAB LEAK CONCEPT UNLIKELY. AND ALSO CHINESE AUTHORITIES HAVE BEGAN INCREASINGLY AIMING TO A SEVERAL BEGINNING CONCEPT SAYING THAT THIS PANDEMIC MIGHT HAVE STARTED IN MULTIPLE PLACES, EVEN WORLDWIDE, INCLUDING U.S.MILITARY LABS
. THAT'' S UNSUBSTANTIATED, BUT THAT'' S TYPE OF THE BACKWARD AND FORWARD HAPPENING TODAY. WE STILL DON'' T KNOW, A YEAR LATER, EXACTLY HOW THIS PANDEMIC BEGAN>. >'> HE ' S THE PREVIOUS CDC DIRECTOR. SO WHEN HE'CLAIMS IT ' S JUST HIS POINT OF VIEW, IT ' S NOT JUST AN OPINION. THE FORMER CDC SUPERVISOR SEES POINTS AND ALSO KNOWS THINGS THE REST PEOPLE DON ' T >> SEE– > > LIFE LONG PROFICIENCY. >> > > WHEN HE REMAINED IN THE UNITED STATE GOVERNMENT SEEING POINTS THAT THE REMAINDER PEOPLE AREN'' T ENTITLED TO. JUST HOW MUCH OF JUST AN POINT OF VIEW CAN IT BE? >> > > THAT ' S EXACTLY RIGHT. HE'' S SPEAKING TO PEOPLE ON THE GROUND, NOT JUST AS EQUIVALENTS OF THE CHINA CDC, BUT WE HAVE INVESTIGATORS ON THE GROUND IN VARIOUS COUNTRIES AROUND THE WORLD, INCLUDING CHINA. IF YOU LOOK ALSO AT OUR READINESS AS WELL AS FEEDBACK SORT OF STRATEGIES IN THE UNITED STATES, IT'' S MEDICAL AS WELL AS PUBLIC HEALTH. BUT IT'' S ALSO INTELLIGENCE GATHERING. SO WHEN WE'' RE SITTING DOWN AND ALSO SPEAKING TO ALL THESE INDIVIDUALS, WE'' RE PROVIDING A SORT OF OVERALL IMAGE, I THINK, FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME OF WHAT THEY KNEW, WHAT THEY KNEW AT WHAT TIME, AND HOW THEY WERE TYPE OF PIECING THAT TOGETHER.SO IT ' S REALLY– AS WELL AS IT'' S NOT SIMPLY INTRIGUE. IT'' S CRUCIAL TO KNOW HOW THIS STARTED IF YOU ARE GOING TO BEST PREPARE FOR A FEASIBLE FUTURE PANDEMIC. TO GO AS WELL AS– FROM AN ANIMAL TO A HUMAN AS WELL AS ALL OF A SUDDEN TURN INTO ONE OF THE MANY CONTAGIOUS MICROORGANISM WE'' VE EVER SEEN IN MANKIND SIMPLY DOESN'' T HAPPEN REALLY OFTEN. THAT ' S THE POINT DR. REDFIELD WAS TRYING TO MAKE. >> > > SANJAY GUPTA, THANKS SIGNIFICANTLY. WE REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. AND ALSO IT DOES AUDIO LIKE SOMETHING WE DEMAND TO REVIEW EVEN MORE. ALLOW'' S DO THAT NOW, JOHN. ALLOW'' S BRING IN CNN POLITICAL EXPERT JOSH ROGIN.HE ' S
DONE A WHOLE LOT OF COVERAGE ON THE ORIGIN OF COVID-19. THE AUTHOR OF “” DISORDER UNDER PARADISE: AMERICA, CHINA AND THE FIGHT FOR THE 21st CENTURY.”” JOSH, YOU'' VE DONE COVERAGE ON THE BEGINNINGS. YOU– WE'' VE HAD THESE DISCUSSIONS WITH YOU. INFORM United States THE VALUE OF HEARING DR. REDFIELD, FORMER SUPERVISOR, SAY THIS. THAT'' S WHAT HE BELIEVES, IT ORIGINATED FROM A LABORATORY. >
>> > YOU UNDERSTAND, MY INITIAL REACTION, ALISYN, IS, WOW. SENSATIONAL. GROUND-BREAKING. REALLY NARRATIVE-CHANGING CONVERSATION THAT SANJAY GUPTA HAD WITH ROBERT REDFIELD FOR A PAIR OF VITAL REASONS. ONE IS AS YOU MENTIONED, HE IS NOT ANY SCHMO– JOE-SCHMO RESEARCHER. HE WAS THE HEAD OF THE CDC, A VIROLOGIST AS WELL AS HE'' S MAKING 2 EXTREMELY SURPRISING ACCUSATIONS. ONE IS THAT THE VIRUS STARTED IN SEPTEMBER OR OCTOBER, AS REPORTED BY HIS POINT OF VIEW, WHICH SUGGESTS THAT THE CHINESE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CONCEALED IT FOR SEVERAL MONTHS.AND TWO, THAT HE THINKS NOT JUST BASED ON, YOU UNDERSTAND, SUPPOSITION BUT BASED ON THE METHOD THE INFECTION EMERGED, IN HIS PROFESSIONAL EVALUATIONS OF THE METHOD IT ACTED, THAT IT WAS ALSO STRONG AND TOO ADVANCED TO HAVE COME FROM NATURE. AND ALSO HE ' S REFERRING TO THE RESEARCH STUDY AT THE WUHAN INSTITUTE OF VIROLOGY. NOW THAT MATCHES THE INFORMATION THAT APPEARED OF THE TRUMP MANAGEMENT, AS WELL AS WAS CONFIRMED BY THE BIDEN MANAGEMENT TO SOME EXTENT WHEN THEY CAME IN AS WELL AS EXAMINED THE UNITED STATE INTELLIGENCE FUNCTION. SO IT ' S NOT SIMPLY ROBERT REDFIELD ' S POINT OF VIEW. THERE ' S A GROWING BODY OF EVIDENCE THAT THINGS TO THIS LABORATORY CRASH THEORY.WHILE WE DON ' T KNOW WHAT OCCURRED, WE CONTAINER ' T SAY WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED, THIS MAKES IT REALLY, EXTREMELY CRUCIAL THAT THERE ' S EVEN MORE INVESTIGATION WHICH WE REGARD THE CONTINUOUS EXAMINATION, FRANKLY, BY THE W.H.O. AND CHINESE SCIENTISTS AS NOT COMPLETION OF THE QUERY HERE DUE TO THE FACT THAT, AS YOU NOTED, THEY ARE POO-POOING THIS CONCEPT ONCE MORE. > > REDFIELD SAYS IT ' S JUST HIS OPINION, BUT HE ' S NOT SIMPLY ANY GUY >> OR ANY JOE-SCHMO AS'YOU SAID. DON ' T WE DEMAND TO SEE THE PROOF, HOW THIS POINT OF VIEW OF HIS'AS WELL AS THEN THE DECLARES MADE BY THE TRUMP MANAGEMENTS AS WELL AS VERIFIED TO AN EXTENT BY THE BIDEN MANAGEMENT, WE REQUIREMENT TO SEE THE PROOF OF ALL OF THIS. > > WE DEMAND TO SEE THE EVIDENCE ON THE CHINESE SIDE AS WELL AS UNITED STATE SIDE. ROBERT REDFIELD, WHEN HE WAS CDC SUPERVISOR, HE WAS NOT A– DEAL WITH LEAD BY THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION. HE HAS NO MOTIVATION, NO MOTIVATION TO BAIL THEM OUT OR TO ASSISTANCE THEIR THEORY FOR THEIR PURPOSE. HE ' S DOING THIS BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT HE ACTUALLY BELIEVES, AND IT ' S BASED ON WHAT HE SAW WHEN HE WAS INSIDE THE GOVERNMENT.'SO THE EASIEST POINT TO PERFORM IS FOR THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION IS TO LAUNCH PUBLICLY THE INTELLIGENCE THAT THEY HAVE BUT THE ONLY REAL MEANS TO FRACTURE THIS IS FOR THE CHINESE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO HAND OVER THE DATA OF THE EARLY SITUATIONS, ALL OF THINGS THAT REMAINED IN THE LABORATORY. WHAT THEY SAY IS, OH, THE LAB DIDN ' T HAVE THE VIRUS, TO ENSURE THAT ' S THAT.BUT WHAT ROBERT REDFIELD IS PHRASE IS WE CONTAINER ' T TAKE THAT'AT FACE VALUE. WE ' LL DEMAND AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION, BUT THE BIDEN MANAGEMENT COULD ALSO'BE MORE TRANSPARENT ALSO. > > EVEN IF THERE ' S AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION, WOULD CHINA TEND TO> TURN OVER WHATEVER DOCUMENTS THEY HAVE ABOUT WHAT THEY WERE DOING IN THE LABORATORY? NUMBER ONE. AS WELL AS NUMBER 2, WHY DOESN ' T THE W.H.O. SEEM TO BE ON THE VERY SAME WEB PAGE WITH DR.REDFIELD? > > RIGHT. WELL, IN YOUR FIRST INQUIRY, THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT HAS HAD OVER A YEAR TO TURN OVER THE DATA, AND ALSO THEY ' VE DONE QUITE THE REVERSE. THEY ' VE HIT THE DAY. THERE ARE ALLEGATIONS THEY'' VE MANIPULATED THE INFORMATION. THEY INCARCERATED THE REPORTERS, SILENCED THE'SCIENTISTS. THAT ' S A PATTERN OF OBFUSCATION AND WHITEWASH BASICALLY UNDENIAL NOW. THAT ' S An ISSUE THAT'I DON ' T THINK THAT WE ' RE GOING TO BE'ABLE TO FIX. AND THAT'' S UNFORTUNATE. AS WELL AS THE W.H.O. GROUP, WHICH I'' M CERTAIN HAS PLENTY OF A WHOLE LOT OF WELL-MEANING INDIVIDUALS, SIMPLY DOESN'' T HAVE THE ACCESS THAT THEY REQUIREMENT. A FEW OF THE MEMBERS OF THE W.H.O.INVESTIGATIVE TEAM HAVE CONFLICTS OF INTEREST. AND ALSO THEIR STATEMENTS UNTIL NOW SHOW THEY ' RE NOT REALLY LOOKING INTO THE LAB CRASH CONCEPT IN ALL DUE TO THE FACT THAT THEY DON ' T BELIEVE IT TO BE TRUE. THEY DON'' T WANT IT TO BE TRUE. WE SHOULDN ' T OVERLOOK THE W.H.O. INVESTIGATION, BUT IT ' S NOT GOING TO BE COMPLETION ALL, BE ALL OF WHAT WE UNDERSTAND. IT SIMPLY TIN'' T BE. AS YOU LISTENED TO, THE HEAD OF THE CDC WHILE OF THE BREAK OUT SAYS THE W.H.O. INVESTIGATION IS ON THE WRONG TRACK. >> > > JOSH ROGIN, SO GOOD TO GET YOUR REPORTING AND ALSO EXPERTISE INTO THIS.
>> > > CAN'' T WAIT FOR THE SPECIAL. >> > > IT'' S GOING TO BE– DON'' T MISS THIS UNPRECEDENTED OCCASION WITH DR. SANJAY GUPTA WHEN THE MEDICAL LEADERS OF THE WAR ON COVID BREAK THEIR SILENCE. WATCH THE CNN SPECIAL “” COVID BATTLE: THE.
