>>> > > > DR. ROBERT REDFIELD, A FORMER CDC DIRECTOR, IS SPEAKING UP FOR THE FIRST TIME PHRASE PUBLICLY WHERE HE THINKS THE CORONAVIRUS THAT CREATED THE PANDEMIC CAME FROM. THESE EXTRAORDINARY REMARKS ARE AVAILABLE IN A CNN DOCUMENTARY AIRING THIS WEEKEND. DR. SANJAY GUPTA JOINS US NOW. DR. REDFIELD CLAIMS HE'' S GIVING HIS VIEWPOINT, BUT I ASSUME YOU ' RE READY TO BREAK SOME QUITE SUBSTANTIAL NEWS RIGHT HERE >>. > > YEAH, THIS WAS EXTRAORDINARY, JOHN. FOR CERTAIN. HE IS THE PREVIOUS CDC SUPERVISOR. HE SPENT HIS ENTIRE OCCUPATION AS A VIROLOGIST. I TALKED TO ALL SIX OF THESE DOCTORS IN THE TYPES OF AN POSTMORTEM EXAMINATION. REALLY TO METICULOUSLY DISSECT EXACTLY WHAT OCCURRED RIGHT HERE. REALLY NO PREAGENDA. DR. REDFIELD WHEN WE SAT TO TALK, HE INTENDED TO START AT THE BEGINNING. THE ORIGINS OF THIS INFECTION. WHAT HE THOUGHT REALLY TAKEN PLACE. TAKE A LISTEN. >> > > IF I WAS TO ASSUMPTION, THIS INFECTION BEGAN SENDING SOMEPLACE IN SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER IN WUHAN. >> > > SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER >>? > > THAT ' S MY OWN VIEW.IT ' S ONLY AN POINT OF VIEW. I'' M PERMITTED TO HAVE POINT OF VIEWS NOW. I'' M OF THE VIEWPOINT THAT I STILL ASSUME THE MOST LIKELY IDOLOGY OF THIS PATHOLOGY IN WUHAN WAS FROM A RESEARCH LABORATORY. RUN AWAY. OTHER INDIVIDUAL DON'' T BELIEVE THAT. THAT ' S PENALTY. SCIENCE WILL CERTAINLY AT SOME POINT FIGURE IT OUT. IT'' S NOT UNCOMMON FOR RESPIRATORY MICROORGANISMS THAT ARE BEING SERVICED IN A RESEARCH LABORATORY TO INFECT THE LAB WORKER. >> > >'IT ' S LIKEWISE NOT UNCOMMON FOR THAT KIND OF STUDY TO BE OCCURRING IN WUHAN. THE CITY IS An EXTENSIVELY WELL-KNOWN FACILITY FOR VIRAL RESEARCH STUDIES IN CHINA, INCLUDING THE WUHAN INSTITUTE OF VIROLOGY, WHICH HAS ACTUALLY EXPERIMENTED THOROUGHLY WITH BAT CORONAVIRUSES. >> > >'IT ' S An AMAZING CONVERSATION.I FEELING LIKE WE'' RE HAVING RIGHT HERE. SINCE YOU ARE THE PREVIOUS CDC DIRECTOR, AS WELL AS YOU WERE THE DIRECTOR AT THE TIME THIS WAS ALL HAPPENING. >> > > FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME, THE FORMER CDC DIRECTOR IS SPECIFYING PUBLICLY THAT HE BELIEVES THIS PANDEMIC BEGAN MONTHS EARLIER THAN WE KNEW. AND THAT IT CAME FROM, NOT AT A WET MARKET, BUT INSIDE A LABORATORY IN CHINA. >> > > THESE ARE 2 SIGNIFICANT THINGS TO SAY. >> > > THAT ' S NOT INDICATING ANY INTENTIONALITY. IT'' S MY POINT OF VIEW, RIGHT? BUT I AM A VIROLOGIST. I HAVE SPENT MY LIFE IN VIROLOGY. I DO NOT BELIEVE THIS SOMEHOW ORIGINATED FROM A BAT TO A HUMAN AND THEN IN TIME, THE VIRUS INVOLVED THE HUMAN BEING, TURNED INTO ONE OF ONE OF THE MOST INFECTIOUS VIRUSES THAT WE KNOW IN MANKIND FOR HUMAN-TO-HUMAN TRANSMISSION. NORMALLY IT TAKES AWHILE FOR IT TO DETERMINE HOW TO END UP BEING MORE AND EVEN MORE EFFECTIVE IN PERSON TO HUMAN BEING TRANSMISSION. I JUST DON'' T THINK THIS MAKES BIOLOGICAL FEELING. >> > > SO IN THE LABORATORY, DO YOU ASSUME THAT PROCEDURES OF BECOMING MORE EFFICIENT WAS HAPPENING? IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE RECOMMENDING? >> > > LET ' S JUST SAY, I HAVE CORONAVIRUS AND ALSO I'' M DEALING WITH IT.MOST OF US IN THE LABORATORY ARE TRYING TO GROW VIRUS. WE SHOT TO MAKE IT GROW BETTER AND ALSO BETTER AS WELL AS BETTER AS WELL AS MUCH BETTER SO WE CONTAINER DO EXPERIMENTS AND FIGURE BOUGHT IT. THAT'' S THE MEANS I PLACE IT TOGETHER. >> > >'IT ' S A PRETTY AMAZING DISCUSSION. AND ALSO A LITTLE PEEK OF WHAT WE DISCLOSED SORT OF WITHIN THESE NUMBER OF HOURS. I OUGHT TO MENTION, THE GLOBE HEALTH ORGANIZATION CALLS THE LABORATORY LEAK THEORY UNLIKELY. AND CHINESE OFFICIALS HAVE STARTED INCREASINGLY INDICATING A MULTIPLE BEGINNING THEORY STATING THAT THIS PANDEMIC MIGHT HAVE BEGAN IN MULTIPLE PLACES, EVEN AROUND THE GLOBE, INCLUDING UNITED STATE ARMED FORCE LABORATORIES. THAT'' S UNSUBSTANTIATED, BUT THAT'' S SORT OF THE TO AND FRO HAPPENING RIGHT NOW.WE STILL DON'' T KNOW, A YEAR LATER, EXACTLY HOW THIS PANDEMIC STARTED>. >'> HE ' S THE PREVIOUS CDC DIRECTOR. SO WHEN HE'CLAIMS IT ' S JUST HIS VIEWPOINT, IT ' S NOT JUST AN OPINION. THE PREVIOUS CDC DIRECTOR SEES THINGS AND KNOWS THINGS THE REST PEOPLE DON ' T >> SEE– > > LIFE LONG COMPETENCE. >> > > WHEN HE REMAINED IN THE UNITED STATE GOVERNMENT SEEING POINTS THAT THE REMAINDER PEOPLE AREN'' T ENTITLED TO. JUST HOW MUCH OF SIMPLY AN OPINION CANISTER IT BE? >> > > THAT ' S EXACTLY RIGHT. HE'' S SPEAKING TO PEOPLE ON THE GROUND, NOT EQUALLY AS COUNTERPARTS OF THE CHINA CDC, BUT WE HAVE INVESTIGATORS ON THE GROUND IN VARIOUS COUNTRIES AROUND THE GLOBE, INCLUDING CHINA. IF YOU LOOK EVEN AT OUR PREPAREDNESS AND ALSO ACTION KIND OF STRATEGIES IN THE UNITED STATES, IT'' S MEDICAL AND ALSO PUBLIC WELLNESS. BUT IT'' S ALSO INTELLIGENCE GATHERING. SO WHEN WE'' RE TAKING A SEAT AS WELL AS TALKING TO ALL THESE PEOPLE, WE'' RE GIVING A TYPE OF OVERALL PHOTO, I BELIEVE, FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME OF WHAT THEY RECOGNIZED, WHAT THEY UNDERSTOOD AT WHAT TIME, AS WELL AS HOW THEY WERE KIND OF PIECING THAT TOGETHER.SO IT ' S REALLY– AND IT'' S NOT SIMPLY INTRIGUE. IT'' S VITAL TO KNOW HOW THIS STARTED IF YOU ARE GOING TO BEST PREPARE FOR A FEASIBLE FUTURE PANDEMIC. TO GO AND– FROM AN PET TO A HUMAN AS WELL AS INSTANTLY TURN INTO ONE OF THE MANY CONTAGIOUS VIRUS WE'' VE EVER SEEN IN HUMANITY SIMPLY DOESN'' T TAKE PLACE EXTREMELY FREQUENTLY. THAT ' S THE POINT DR. REDFIELD WAS TRYING TO MAKE. >> > > SANJAY GUPTA, MANY THANKS SIGNIFICANTLY. WE REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. AS WELL AS IT DOES SEEM LIKE SOMETHING WE NEED TO GO OVER EVEN MORE. ALLOW'' S DO THAT TODAY, JOHN. ALLOW'' S GENERATE CNN POLITICAL ANALYST JOSH ROGIN. HE'' S DONE A GREAT DEAL OF REPORTING ON THE ORIGIN OF COVID-19. THE WRITER OF “” MAYHEM UNDER HEAVEN: AMERICA, CHINA AND THE FIGHT FOR THE 21st CENTURY.”” JOSH, YOU'' VE DONE REPORTING ON THE BEGINNINGS. YOU– WE'' VE HAD THESE DISCUSSIONS WITH YOU. TELL United States THE IMPORTANCE OF HEARING DR. REDFIELD, FORMER SUPERVISOR, SAY THIS. THAT'' S WHAT HE THINKS, IT ORIGINATED FROM A LAB. > >> YOU KNOW, MY INITIAL REACTION, ALISYN, IS, WOW. MAGNIFICENT. GROUND-BREAKING. REALLY NARRATIVE-CHANGING DISCUSSION THAT SANJAY GUPTA HAD WITH ROBERT REDFIELD FOR A NUMBER OF VITAL REASONS.ONE IS AS YOU STATED, HE IS NOT ANY SCHMO– JOE-SCHMO SCIENTIST. HE WAS THE HEAD OF THE CDC, A VIROLOGIST AND HE ' S MAKING 2 REALLY SHOCKING ALLEGATIONS. ONE IS THAT THE VIRUS STARTED IN SEPTEMBER OR OCTOBER, AS REPORTED BY HIS OPINION, WHICH SUGGESTS THAT THE CHINESE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CONCEALED IT FOR SEVERAL MONTHS. AS WELL AS TWO, THAT HE THINKS NOT SIMPLY BASED ON, YOU RECOGNIZE, SUPPOSITION BUT BASED ON THE MEANS THE INFECTION EMERGED, IN HIS PROFESSIONAL ANALYSIS OF THE WAY IT ACTED, THAT IT WAS ALSO SOLID AS WELL AS TOO ADVANCED TO HAVE ORIGINATE FROM NATURE.AND HE '
S REFERRING TO THE STUDY AT THE WUHAN INSTITUTE OF VIROLOGY. CURRENTLY THAT MATCHES THE DETAILS THAT CAME OUT OF THE TRUMP MANAGEMENT, AND WAS VALIDATED BY THE BIDEN MANAGEMENT TO SOME LEVEL WHEN THEY CAN BE FOUND IN AND ALSO INSPECTED THE UNITED STATE KNOWLEDGE WORK. SO IT'' S NOT SIMPLY ROBERT REDFIELD ' S POINT OF VIEW. THERE ' S An EXPANDING BODY OF EVIDENCE THAT INFORMATION TO THIS LAB ACCIDENT CONCEPT. WHILE WE DON'' T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED', WE CANISTER ' T SAY WE KNOW WHAT TOOK PLACE, THIS MAKES IT REALLY, REALLY VITAL THAT THERE'' S MORE INVESTIGATION WHICH WE REGARD THE ONGOING EXAMINATION, HONESTLY, BY THE W.H.O.AND CHINESE RESEARCHERS AS NOT COMPLETION OF THE QUESTIONS RIGHT HERE DUE TO THE FACT THAT, AS YOU KEPT IN MIND, THEY ARE POO-POOING THIS CONCEPT ONCE AGAIN. >> > > REDFIELD SAYS IT'' S SIMPLY HIS OPINION,'BUT HE ' S NOT SIMPLY ANY PERSON OR ANY JOE-SCHMO AS YOU SAID. DON'' T WE NEED TO SEE THE EVIDENCE, HOW THIS OPINION OF HIS AND ALSO AFTER THAT THE CLAIMS MADE BY THE TRUMP MANAGEMENTS AND VERIFIED TO AN EXTENT BY THE BIDEN MANAGEMENT, WE REQUIREMENT TO SEE THE PROOF OF EVERY ONE OF THIS. >> > > WE REQUIREMENT TO SEE THE PROOF ON THE CHINESE SIDE AND ALSO UNITED STATE SIDE. ROBERT REDFIELD, WHEN HE WAS CDC DIRECTOR, HE WAS NOT A– TREAT LEAD BY THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION. HE HAS NO MOTIVATION, NO MOTIVATION TO BOND THEM OUT OR TO SUPPORT THEIR CONCEPT FOR THEIR PURPOSE. HE'' S DOING THIS BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT HE ACTUALLY THINKS, AS WELL AS IT'' S BASED ON WHAT HE SAW WHEN HE WAS INSIDE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. SO THE SIMPLEST THING TO DO IS FOR THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION IS TO RELEASE PUBLICLY THE KNOWLEDGE THAT THEY HAVE BUT THE ONLY REAL METHOD TO FRACTURE THIS IS FOR THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT TO HAND OVER THE INFORMATION OF THE EARLY INSTANCES, EVERY ONE OF THE POINTS THAT WERE IN THE LAB.WHAT THEY
SAY IS, OH, THE LAB DIDN'' T HAVE THE VIRUS, SO THAT'' S THAT. BUT WHAT ROBERT REDFIELD IS SAYING IS WE CANISTER'' T TAKE THAT AT STATED VALUE. WE'' LL NEED AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION, BUT THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION COULD ALSO BE EVEN MORE CLEAR TOO. >> > > EVEN IF THERE'' S AN INDEPENDENT EXAMINATION, WOULD CHINA BE INCLINED TO HAND OVER WHATEVER DOCUMENTS THEY HAVE ABOUT WHAT THEY WERE DOING IN THE LAB? LEADING. AS WELL AS SECOND, WHY DOESN'' T THE W.H.O. SEEM TO BE ON THE EXACT SAME PAGE WITH DR. REDFIELD? >> > > RIGHT. WELL, IN YOUR FIRST QUESTION, THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT HAS HAD OVER A YEAR TO TURN OVER THE DATA, AS WELL AS THEY'' VE DONE QUITE THE REVERSE. THEY'' VE HIT THE DATE. THERE ARE ALLEGATIONS THEY'' VE MANIPULATED THE DATA.THEY IMPRISONED THE JOURNALISTS, SILENCED THE SCIENTISTS. THAT'' S A PATTERN OF OBFUSCATION AS WELL AS COVER-UP RATHER MUCH UNDENIAL NOW. THAT'' S A PROBLEM THAT I WEAR ' T THINK THAT WE ' RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO FIX. AS WELL AS THAT ' S UNFORTUNATE. AND THE W.H.O. GROUP, WHICH I'' M CERTAIN IS FULL OF A GREAT DEAL OF WELL-MEANING PEOPLE, SIMPLY DOESN'' T HAVE THE ACCESSIBILITIES THAT THEY REQUIREMENT. A FEW OF THE MEMBERS OF THE W.H.O. INVESTIGATIVE TEAM HAVE CONFLICTS OF RATE OF INTEREST. AS WELL AS THEIR STATEMENTS SO FAR SHOW THEY'' RE NOT REALLY LOOKING RIGHT INTO THE LABORATORY ACCIDENT CONCEPT IN ANY WAY DUE TO THE FACT THAT THEY DON'' T BELIEVE IT TO BE REAL. THEY DON'' T WANT IT TO BE TRUE. WE SHOULDN'' T IGNORE THE W.H.O. EXAMINATION, BUT IT'' S NOT GOING TO BE COMPLETION ALL, BE EVERY ONE OF WHAT WE KNOW. IT JUST CAN'' T BE. AS YOU HEARD, THE HEAD OF THE CDC DURING THE TIME OF THE OUTBREAK SAYS THE W.H.O. INVESTIGATION GETS ON THE WRONG TRACK. >> > > JOSH ROGIN, SO GOOD TO GET YOUR COVERAGE AND ALSO EXPERTISE INTO THIS.
>> > > CANISTER'' T WAIT ON THE SPECIAL. >> > > IT'' S GOING TO BE– DON'' T MISS THIS UNPRECEDENTED OCCASION WITH DR. SANJAY GUPTA WHEN THE MEDICAL LEADERS OF THE BATTLE ON COVID BREAK THEIR SILENCE. WATCH THE CNN SPECIAL “” COVID BATTLE: THE.
