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>>> > > > HOW BAD IS IT REPRESENTING DONALD TRUMP? WELL, THERE'' S NEW COVERAGE THIS AFTERNOON THAT THE EX-SPOUSE PRESIDENT ' S NEWEST ATTORNEY HAS ACTUALLY SUGGESTED HIS CLIENT TO REFUSE THE TEMPERATURE WIT THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT AND THE MAR-A-LAGO CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION. BASE ON “” THE WASHINGTON POST,”” THE REST OF HIS LAWFUL TEAM IS DIVIDED ON WHETHER THE EX-PRESIDENT MUST NOTE THE SUGGESTIONS, WHICH IS EVIDENCED IN HIS VERY PUBLIC ASSAULT. THE EX-PET HAS NOT MADE A DECISION TO PERFORM ON HIS OWN. FROM “” THE MESSAGE”” THIS AFTERNOON KISE TOLD OTHERS HE WISHED TO DE-ESCALATION THE TRUMP GROUP'' S PUGILISTIC TECHNIQUE TO FEDERAL PROSECUTORS, AS STATED BY THREE INDIVIDUALS KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT HIS COMMENTS. HE STATED IT WAS LIKELY TO TRIGGER FEDERAL AUTHORITIES TO BE EVEN MORE AGGRESSIVE.HE HAS RECOMMENDED TO OTHER TRUMP ADVISERS THAT THE MOST EFFECTIVE REMEDY WOULD BE TO SHOT TO LOCATE AN EXIT RAMP WITH THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT BEFORE A FEASIBLE INDICTMENT OR TRIAL. HE HAS ACTUALLY CLAIMED HE THINKS TRUMP CAN STAY CLEAR OF CRIMINAL FEES. JOINING United States NOW ONE OF THE REPORTERS ON THE EXTRAORDINARY NEW COVERAGE, “” WASHINGTON POST”” NATIONAL INVESTIGATIVE COVERAGE CAROL LEONNIG, NEAL KATYAL, PREVIOUS DISTRICT ATTORNEY, CURRENTLY GEORGETOWN LEGISLATION TEACHER. BOTH MSNBC CONTRIBUTING REPORTERS. THIS BLEW MY MIND WHEN I SAW IT WHEN WE WERE PREPARING TO COME ON THE AIR. NOW YOU HAVE THE MANY ACCOMPLISHED, THE MOST EFFECTIVE ADJECTIVE I CAN PULL OFF THE SHELF ON LIVE TV, FLASHING A YELLOW CAUTION LIGHT ABOUT TRUMP'' S OWN CONDUCT BECAUSE HE BELIEVES THERE ' S CRIMINAL EXPOSURE. INFORM ME WHAT YOU HAVE ACTUALLY REPORTED AND ALSO WHAT YOU HAVE ACTUALLY FOUND OUT. >> > > YOU KNOW, WHAT IS REALLY INTERESTING ABOUT THIS IS MY OWN DIGESTIVE TRACT INSTINCT, AS WELL AS I UNDERSTAND NEIL'' S ALSO, HAS BEEN THIS SITUATION IN MAR-A-LAGO IS BAD BECAUSE IT IS JUST THE STRAIGHT-UP CASE OF DID YOU MAINTAIN PAPERS THAT YOU WEREN'' T INTENDED TO HAVE, DID YOU MAINTAIN CLASSIFIED FILES YOU UNDERSTOOD WERE CLASSIFIED, AND DID YOU EXIST ABOUT IT OR TELL ANOTHER PERSON TO EXIST CONCERNING IT.THAT IS A REALLY SORT OF SIMPLE, OPEN-AND-SHUT SITUATION, AND ALSO IT CONSTANTLY WAS OUR IMPULSE THIS WAS REALLY A VULNERABLE SOFT SPOT FOR DONALD TRUMP POST-PRESIDENCY IN REQUISITES OF CRIMINAL RESPONSIBILITY. NOW WE UNDERSTAND THAT ACTUALLY THE ATTORNEY THAT REQUESTED FOR HIS CHARGE IN ADVANCE AS WELL AS HAS POTENTIALLY AMONG THE STRONGER ONLINE REPUTATIONS ON THE TEAM FOR DEALING WITH DIVISION OF JUSTICE EXAMINATIONS, HAS COUNTENANCED THE OPPORTUNITY OF AN INDICTMENT AND ALSO BELIEVES THAT THE VERY BEST METHOD TO SORT OF FEND IT OFF IS TO PLAY GREAT, TO SAY, “” SO SORRY, WE MADE SOME MISTAKES, WE STATED THAT ALL OF THE CLASSIFIED INFO WAS PASSED ON, BUT ACTUALLY WE MADE SOME MISTAKE AS WELL AS IT WASN'' T REALLY INTENTIONAL AND WE– MEA CULPA, MEA CULPA”” AS WELL AS IT WAS NOT CRIMINAL INTENT. SO AS QUICKLY AS THAT ATTORNEY BEGAN TO GIVE THAT INFO, HE WAS NOT OUT ON HIS KIESTER BUT SIDELINED TO A LEVEL THAT ESSENTIALLY MEANT, NO, DONALD TRUMP WANTS TO BE EVEN MORE COMBATIVE. HE INTENDED TO ASSAULT THE FBI. HE WISHED TO ASSAULT THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, ACCUSE THEM OF PLANTING PRODUCT, THINGS THAT REALLY– FOR WHICH THERE IS NO EVIDENCE BUT HAS FUNCTIONED LIKE A BEAUTY FOR DONALD TRUMP IN THE PAST.HE WANTS

TO STICK TO HIS OWN BRAND BUT ALSO WHAT HAS SUCCESSFULLY FUNCTIONED. >> > > CAROL, WHAT IS AMAZING IS THAT THE VIEW FROM INSIDE TRUMP'' S OWN LEGAL CRIMINAL PROTECTION GROUP COINCIDES AS THE SIGHT FROM EXTERIOR. ONE, WHAT YOU JUST EXPRESSED THAT HE REMAINS IN DEEP DO-DO, AS WELL AS TWO THAT HE SHOULDN'' T BE SO COMBATIVE IN THESE FILINGS. YOU REPORT THE FILING WE HAVE COVERED THIS WEEK IS THE FIRST ONE THAT KISE HASN'' T SIGNED. THIS IS WHAT IT SAYS. FOR THE SECOND TIME BECAUSE HIS DISMISSAL OF USEFUL EXPERIENCE, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT INVOLVES THE COURT TO READJUST DEADLINES. THE OVERALL PLACEMENTS OF THE GOVERNMENT REMAINS TO BE OVERLY OPTIMISTIC AS WELL AS HOSTILE IN REGARDS TO THE TIMING AND ALSO MANUFACTURINGS AND ALSO COMPLAINANT'' S REVIEW.IT WOULD BE BETTER TO BASE DEADLINES ON ACTUAL INFORMATION AS WELL AS NOT WISTFUL CLAIMS BY THE GOVERNMENT. EXTREMELY ANTAGONISTIC. SEEMS LIKE THE PERSON THAT CREATED ALL OF THE SPEECHES. THAT IS PUSHING HIM TO AUDIO LIKE THAT INDIVIDUAL? >> > > WELL, THERE ' S A NICE LITTLE GROUP OF ATTORNEY, AND ALSO I CAN'' T PIN FOR YOU, NICOLLE, OR ANYONE SINCE I WOULD HAVE PUBLISHED IF I COULD, I TIN'' T SAY IT IS ONE PERSON ALL ON THEIR LONESOME. BUT WE KNOW FROM PAST EXPERIENCE THAT THE MORE COMBATIVE LEGAL REPRESENTATIVES ON THIS INSTANCE, THE ONES THAT HAVE GIVEN GUIDANCE TO THE PRESIDENT, FORMER HEAD OF STATE THAT, YOU UNDERSTAND, YOU DON'' T NEED TO TAKE CARE OF THIS, THE FBI DOESN'' T HAVE POSSESSION OF THIS HOME, YOU CAN SAY THAT YOU DECLASSIFIED EVERYTHING OR THERE'' S A DECLASSIFICATION OPPORTUNITY HERE.BORIS EPSTEIN WAS ONE OF THE INDIVIDUALS PUSHING THAT LINE OF THINKING. EVAN CORCORAN IS THE LEGAL REPRESENTATIVE WHO IS TYPE OF DANGLING ON HERE AFTER HE HAS BEEN ENDANGERED BY THE FACT THAT HE LED A REVIEW OF DOCUMENTS FOR DONALD TRUMP IN WHICH HE INCORRECTLY CLAIMED THAT HIS REVIEW WAS SO DILIGENT THEREFORE EXHAUSTIVE THAT THERE DISAPPEARED CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS AT MAR-A-LAGO. WELL, THAT JUST BECAME NOT REAL, AS WELL AS THAT PUT HIM IN A NEGATIVE POSITION, JEOPARDIZED ESSENTIALLY AS A LEGAL REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE PRESIDENT BECAUSE HE ' S A POSSIBLE WITNESS. WE HAVE SPOKE ABOUT THIS A GREAT DEAL. BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS HE ' S MORE ON THE COMBATIVE SIDE, YOU RECOGNIZE, CHANNELLING THE HEAD OF STATE ' S DESIRES ALONG WITH BORIS, AND ALSO CHRIS KISE, AS MY COLLEAGUES HAVE DEFINITELY DETERMINED, IS THE ONE TRYING TO PROVIDE FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP TYPE OF THE TEACHABLE MOMENTS ABOUT HOW TO TAKE CARE OF THE DIVISION OF JUSTICE WHEN YOU NO LONGER RUN IT. > > TEACHABLE. I ASSUME JIM COMEY THOUGHT HE COULD OFFER DONALD TRUMP TEACHABLE MINUTES ABOUT THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT EVEN WHEN HE DID RUN IT AS WELL AS WE ALL KNOW HOW THAT ENDED, NEAL KATYAL.THIS IS FROM CAROL ' S COVERAGE. SHE COMPOSES IN PRIVATE THOSE FAMILIAR WITH THE CONVERSATIONS CLAIM

KISE HAS ACTUALLY EXAMINED'THE KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE OF SOME OF HIS COWORKERS, SUGGESTING THEY DO NOT HAVE EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE WITH THIS KEY IN OF LITIGATION AND ALSO THEY COULD FACE LEGAL PROBLEMS HIMSELF. HE ADDITIONALLY SUGGESTED PRIVATELY THAT THEIR COUNSEL HAD ACTUALLY GROWN TRUMP ' S ISSUES AS WELL AS THAT THEY WOULD HAVE HAD LESS ISSUES HAD HE BEGAN STANDING FOR TRUMP EARLIER IN THE SUMMER SEASON. THE CUSTOMER TOOK PLACE “HANNITY” AND SAID HE WOULD DECLASSIFY DETAILS BY THINKING THEM SO. HE COINCIDES AS HE HAS CONSTANTLY BEEN, BUT AS CAROL INFORMATION OUT HE NO LONGER RUNS “EXPENSE BARR WHO NO LONGER RUNS THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT. > > YEAH, NICOLLE. I HAD ACTUALLY DECLINED THIS ATTORNEY, CHRIS KISE PRIOR TO THIS SET OF EVENTS, BUT HE DOES APPEAR TO RESIDE ON WORLD PLANET, THAT MAKES HIM UNUSUAL >> FOR A TRUMP LAWYER.I THINK WHEN CAROL SAYS THE SOFT UNDER BELLY IS BEING EXPOSED WITH MAR-A-LAGO, I GO An ACTION FARTHER. THIS IS AN OBVIOUS, INCREDIBLY MAJOR CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION. IF YOU OR I HAD DONE IT, WE WOULD BE IN JAIL, THERE ' S NO CONCERN ABOUT IT. SO, YOU UNDERSTAND, WHAT YOU NEED IN THIS SITUATION IS NOT THE A LOT OF SEVERE FIRE-BREATHING LEGAL REPRESENTATIVE. YOU REQUIRED SOMEBODY WHO CAN ACTUALLY BEGIN ACCEPTING THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT AND ALSO, YOU UNDERSTAND, LEVELING. HONESTY IN HANDLING THE DEPARTMENT IS SO IMPORTANT WHEN YOU REMAIN IN THE CRIMINAL CROSSHAIRS. THE FIRST POINT YOU WISHED TO DO IS BEGIN SHOWING THE PROSECUTORS, LOOK, I REALIZE I MADE A MISTAKE, WE ARE RIGHT HERE TO WORK TOGETHER, WE ARE HERE TO HELP, AS WELL AS WHAT THEY ' RE DOING IS THE PRECISE OPPOSITE. IN MY SIGHT AFTER HANDLING HUNDREDS OF REALLY COMPLEX CIRCUMSTANCES IS THAT THAT KIND OF AGGRESSIVE POSITION IS THE EXTREMELY WORST AREA TO BE. LIKE TAKE FOR EXAMPLE THIS WHOLE DEMAND OVER An UNIQUE MASTER THAT TRUMP FILED.YOU KNOW, WELL, IT MIGHT FEELING GOOD TO HIM HE OBTAINED THESE DECISIONS FROM COURT CANNON, BUT THOSE CHOICES HAVE SPECTACULAR BACKFIRED ON HIM. THE COURT OF APPEALS WITH TWO TRUMP APPOINTEES
NOT JUST TICKED OFF THE TEST JUDGE ' S CHOICE, THEY HEADED OUT OF THEIR MEANS TO SAY THAT THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT IS PERFORMING IN GREAT BELIEF, THAT THESE ACCUSATIONS ARE WRONG, THAT THIS ENTIRE INSURANCE CLAIM REGARDING WHETHER TRUMP HAS DECLASSIFIED FILES IS ABSOLUTELY BESIDES THE FACTOR. SO BY FILING THAT, THEY UNDERMINED THEIR PLACEMENT. THEY DIDN ' T STRENGTHEN IT. THERE ' S AN EXAMPLE OF IN WHICH LIKE CHATTING CHALLENGING AND ACTUALLY BEING CLEVER IN LITIGATION ARE 2 VARIOUS THINGS, AND TRUMP IS, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY FOR HIM NOT THE LATTER, WHICH IS WHY IN MY'SIGHT THIS CASE IS HEADING'TOWARD A PARTICULAR INDICTMENT. THAT, YOU RECOGNIZE, SO MUCH HE HAS DONE ABSOLUTELY ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO ASSIST AS WELL AS A LOT OF DETAILS TO HURT HIS SITUATION. > > IT IS AMAZING. CAROL, I WILL CERTAINLY PROVIDE YOU THE LAST WORD. IT SEEMS LIKE FROM THE COVERAGE THAT ONE OF THE MOST– I WON ' T SAY STUNNING DUE TO THE FACT THAT THE CRIMES WERE COMMITTED COMPLETELY VIEW.TRUMP DOESN ' T DENY COMMITTING THEM. >> HE SIMPLY REFUTES WHAT THE INTERPRETATION OF CRIMES IS. IT SEEMS FROM YOUR COVERAGE THAT KISE IS JUST ABOUT PARTICULAR TRUMP WILL BE INDICTED AS WELL AS STAND TEST, IS THAT A FAIR READ? >
> I THINK THE FAIREST READ IS HE THINKS THERE ' S A RISK OF THAT, AND HE ' S TRYING TO TYPE OF FRIGHTEN THE PREVIOUS HEAD OF STATE STRAIGHT. APPEARANCE, THERE ' S A WAY THIS CONTAINER BE BAD. THERE ' S A >> WAY THIS CONTAINER GO GOOD. LISTEN TO ME AND ALSO I GUARANTEE WE CAN PREVENT CRIMINAL JEOPARDY. BUT CHARGE IS A WORD APPARENTLY HE HAS ACTUALLY CONSIDERED AS A POSSIBILITY, AND ALSO I PUT ON ' T THINK IT IS A TERRIFY METHOD, NICOLLE. I ASSUME IT IS A YOU CAN ' T KEEP PRESSING ALL OF THESE SWITCHES WITH DOJ AS WELL AS NOT EXPECT THAT THEY ' RE GOING TO CHARGE.NEAL AS WELL AS I ASSUME AGREE SIMPLY FROM HIS TERRIFIC EXPERIENCE BEING A LEGAL REPRESENTATIVE,'MINE COVERING ATTORNEY, WE AGREE THAT THE KEY RIGHT HERE IN THE DIVISION OF JUSTICE'CHARGING DONALD TRUMP, A FORMER PRESIDENT, UNPRECEDENTED TO CHARGE A PREVIOUS HEAD OF STATE WITH A CRIMINAL OFFENSE, BUT THE TRICK COLUMNS ARE THAT, ONE, THE PRODUCT HE MAINTAINED WERE EXTREMELY SENSITIVE. CHECK. WE ' VE DETERMINED THAT IS FACT. THE 2ND PILLAR IS HOW MUCH WAS PROGRESSED IN THE DECEPTIVENESS OF KEEPING THESE DOCUMENTS, OF HANGING ON TO THEM, AND ASSERTING TO THE DIVISION OF JUSTICE, OH, WE DON ' T HAVE ANY MORE RIGHT HERE. LO AND ALSO BEHOLD, THEY DO HAVE EVEN MORE THERE. TO MAKE SURE THAT SECRET ITEM IS STILL TO BE DETERMINED. THAT ' S WHY I DON ' T FEELING LIKE IT IS A BANG DUNK HE WILL BE INDICTED. I SEEM LIKE THAT SECONDLY ITEM IS NECESSARY, AS WELL AS IT IS DIFFICULT TO THINK OF THAT HE DIDN ' T HAVE A.

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