My name is Vladimir. You might keep your hands on the table due to the fact that some have such prejudices that you have them … Linked. Connected or something. Your hands are not tied. I am a resident reporter. My name is Vladimir. The discussion with us, the conversation is absolutely voluntary. That is, not even so lots of interviews, just how much we chat. You comprehend that this is on record going for magazine? Yes. Do you mind? Are you all set to speak? Yes, I'' m prepared. Well, if you don ' t mind talking, after that state your full name. I am Zharov Dmitry Alexandrovich. Date of Birth.
01/01/2002.
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Where are you from? I am from the city of Ryazan.Tell your tale. As I formerly recognized, you involved Ukraine twice. Yes, right. The very first time I served on a contract in the Airborne Forces, and also we were told that we are going to exercises in Belarus. We showed up, we were in Belarus for about two or three weeks, and also from there at 3-4 in the morning the alarm was increased, hopped on the BMD, armored vehicles of the landing, and also drove into the region of Ukraine from Chernobyl.Forgot to ask.
Title, setting. Exclusive, position – device artilleryman. At the time when he served on an agreement, The 137th program was, as well as presently I am as mobilized. Fascinating, allow'' s begin with the exact same moment. We drove with Chernobyl to Ukraine. I existed from February 24 to August 2. What towns were they in? put on'' t know. I know that we hit the ring for the very first time on the 4th day we got burned nearly all the equipment that was, about these BMD. Exactly how did it obtain burned? They blew us up with artillery.
200 were? There were several. What took place to those 200, 300? I can not recognize. Did not see? I did not see. Then we in some way left this ring, that is, relocate better in advance, and once more entered the ring again regarding 4 days later on. We were likewise in this ring for about 4-6 days, after that they headed out again, everyone was relocating a straight line, and at one factor, currently closer to April, they stated: transform around, allow''
s go.We went back to Belarus, they said, we will go into from some western instructions. We went, that is, the train got here once again, packed the continuing to be tools, broken, not damaged, allow'' s go west entered into some forest. Quit, what occurred in Belarus? We drove back to Belarus and started drag the tools and also go there yourself, closer to the terminal to the echelon. As well as you can name in amount how much devices was, exactly how many of you individuals went.Two BTGR.
In numbers, we are civilians, we do not recognize. 420 individuals plus or minus. This is a total of you came from sides of Chernobyl. Yes, these are 2 BTGRs. Did it come out? We went out somehow independently, we went out with our battalion, I wear'' t recognize for that squadron he left early. The number of losses in this case were, probably, portion can be called. Losses in principle as a whole initially there was a great deal, I put on'' t also recognize. 10 percent of the employees, 20, possibly much more? Possibly 20 percent.When we left Belarus, everyone loaded onto trains, adjustment instructions. Did you have MLRS with you, for instance? No, I didn ' t. What took place, what technique? BMD, airborne armored automobiles, NONA was one. What ' s this? Ground weapon of the most up to date artillery. THIS is the Airborne Forces when they went. As well as where did you shoot from this nona? I put on'' t understand, we were not alongside her, we relocated separately. We went to Belarus to change direction. Loaded, left, I wear ' t understand where exactly we got here, they claimed, to the western direction. What are you without a coat? All in coats. Thank you. When unloaded,
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we had 2 weeks prior to sundown westbound, we'' re out there someplace were close to the border. Our firm commander was adequate, he was approached by those that did not desire to go better. In Belarus? Yes, already when they got on the territory of Russia. We have actually collected people. On the territory of Belarus or Russia? We relocated from Belarus, we were informed we are in Russia for the time being.That is, they approached him, and so-and-so, we do not want to call, that is, we are the very first time did not know that we would certainly call, and also the company commander we had sufficient, gave the records, said: I don’t know what will happen to you next, yet you can go, that is, we get on our very own
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returned to the system, noted. So you offered up? They refused, I have a stamp on the ticket: “prone to betrayal, incorrect fraud, rejected to join the special armed forces procedures in the LPR, DPR and on the territory of Ukraine”.
So it'' s in April? This was established for me, just how they started to discharge me. I will inform you for this now. We left, we reached the system, noted, we were informed: until now you come below as service providers. We walked we come from the Tula division, as well as the political police officer of the Tula division arrived Bykov, colonel. He came claimed that they would place all of us behind bars for 12 years for the truth that we reject to choose the second time.For 2 weeks he walked spoken about it, and afterwards, as it ended up, that he was imprisoned, it ends up he took altruistic help, which was sent out to us. It ends up that they sent us altruistic aid, we just didn'' t find out about it. How were you fed there? Originally, they gave completely dry provisions, and after that simply said: Individuals, we can'' t bring you food. What did you eat? Cellars, not cellars there, preferably, compote, not compote, Those cellars were civilians from Ukraine? Yes. If that was where.
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Generally, they still took a trip from the forest collect water prior to the church.What did they
discover in the cellars, then they consumed? Yes. Due to the fact that they didn’t eat much compote. I assume so, there were potatoes, as well as some spins. Yes, twists, potatoes. What regarding animals, hens, pigs? No, I didn'' t see it in all. Released. You are currently in the initial months freed the Ukrainians from food. Do you recognize what they state there that you are liberators? I put on'' t find out about it, as they state. Did you see TV in Russia? No, I feel in one’s bones that there is some sort of problem going on. Some sort of conflict? Well, they are dealing with. I put on'' t go right into politics. We'' ll either speak about this later, or we won'' t talk in all. Because of this, as they planted, as it ended up later, we went additionally, as well as it transforms out, for Saturday as well as Sunday, for the weekend, they made a report on us, made a serious scolding to every one of us.They discharged me
, they offered me a bypass sheet to gather murals, as well as I was fired. And in the end, after the bypass sheet, every person passed, the army gotten, as well as there currently stood just these seals. I still then had courts regarding these seals. As well as what was the setting of this individual, that was meant to send you a humanitarian aid? Replacement for Political work of the Tula Airborne Division. Deputy for Political Affairs, Colonel swipes altruistic aid from soldiers as well as yells to them at the very same time that go as well as pass away. Now remember if you'' re enjoying TV, put on'' t watch all of these your propagandists- Nightingale, Simonyan, Skabeeva – every person has a dacha in Europe, all cars and trucks American Japanese, but not Russian, all children discover in this decomposing West, and every person screams to you from the Televisions, that you need to go as well as die.That ' s what ' s taking place. Well, put this stamp on you, what concerning the courts, where did you go? I submitted for my area as well as for the region in my very own to an army court on the illegality of this seal. My court was transferred to Moscow, and afterwards they activated me, that is, currently my mother is currently participated in courts, My mom is currently in court. In general, from what month to what month were in Russia? Considering that April 2, when I went out for the first time, and also I spent regarding 3 months there, two months of holiday as well as a month currently searching for a task, organized, presented mobilization, and also not to be activated, I wished to go to research at the train, I would have a reservation, gathered all the records, gathered every little thing as well as now four days did not last, I had to have a booking on the 11th.
The 11th is what, September? No, October 11th. Were you set in motion on October 11? No, I had a summons on the fourth, released on the fourth day, but they took I am 6-7, in these numbers, as well as on the 11th I was supposed to currently with an appointment to visit Moscow to research. Okay, however, for this duration up until April you said whatever, there is absolutely nothing even more Wasn'' t there anything intriguing until April? When did we first go? Yes, there were shooting battles? There were no riflemen, we were mostly weapons, drones chased us. And currently comes the moment when you are mobilized, you know every little thing ahead of time you recognize what'' s going on here, you will certainly no much longer be told that these are mentors, you will no longer be informed what they inform absolutely every person with whom I communicate right here. Some homeless people, convicts. I think you'' ve currently satisfied. Paddle just all in a row. They inform everyone, primarily everybody, other than for the convicts, maybe, although they try to tell the convicts that you will not battle, you will stand there somewhere at the checkpoints. Exactly, that'' s just how it
was.But you, possibly, currently could not hang such noodles, you understood what was occurring right here. No, I comprehended what was happening here, yet I did not know how it takes place with the activated. That is, I understood that they come, as well as, in theory,
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according to the legislation, they should have either 30 or 80 kilometres from hostilities, that is they are in the back at all. By what sort of law? In Russia, in my opinion, there is a law that they must in the rear area to be that they can not be sent anywhere This is how they tell everyone. It didn'' t job out that way.You additionally thought along the way. Whatever transformed out in different ways. When will the smarts start there do the Russians move? No concept. Well you understand what I am now I wear'' t upset anyone. I comprehend. That is, I am stating a truth. This is clear. It doesn'' t work like jelly. You recognized what was going on and also still believed that you would certainly stand somewhere, you won'' t fight. The legislation has actually also been introduced that they are growing currently. Did they placed a person in? Don'' t recognize. Once again, you just half recognize the information. I only recognize the legislation. There is a law, yet they don'' t put behind bars. I have no suggestion, I can ' t do anything about this.'Why do you think they put on ' t plant? Why put on ' t they plant? Due to the fact that you can ' t get every person. Well, clearly, you understand whatever, because if there in Russia they start to put behind bars all those that decline … Not sufficient electronic cameras. Maybe the electronic cameras are sufficient, because country-prison, in truth, that is, there, possibly sufficient electronic cameras, but so numerous criminal cases as well as it will certainly be so difficult to conceal from public when people speak about it among themselves discuss it, it ends up that it’s not so strong that you are torn at the telephone call of these the most propagandists go someplace to eliminate, that is, as a matter of fact, you comprehend everything, which you wear'' t need it and the battle, in basic, in principle, as if nobody requires it, with the exception of some there.The last speaker or the one prior to last stated, that some moguls are forcing Putin. We, common people, no war, no territory, we don'' t need any type of'of that. Don ' t, since you have your own problems, and your area before your eyes like this. Your issues and your family members. Least densely populated location it remains in Russia, that is, you have a whole lot of area. Ample. And also go crave a few other region not very warranted. I agree. However, nonetheless, you were phoned call to 2nd round, set in motion, you went, what'' s following? We arrived, they brought us on a train to Mulino, I wound up in Mulino after the draft board, so they brought us from Mulin on the tier between Stary as well as Novy Oskol.But it did not trouble anybody during the mobilization, what is your seal in the armed force? 0:16:03.380,0:16:08.639 On
this celebration, I also addressed.: I say exactly how do you activate me if I have the very first straight lines go that I ' m prone to betrayal and incorrect deception. They claim: oh, it ' s okay. I claim it'' s alright at the very least gotten rid of. They: it is then terminated. Well, it'' s clear that I currently hung noodles, I myself currently understand that nothing is canceled, just picked up and sent out, and this seal did not trouble anybody. Amongst the homeless and also convicts, you are additionally a great alternative, you can state, well, likely as well as likely, that cares? Not inclined, just placed it this way. In Mulino, this regiment was all organized and sent out by train. We showed up, we left in the morning in between Stary as well as Novy Oskol. I put on'' t know what negotiation. From there on KamAZ trucks, on Urals with individual possessions we went to over night unloaded 10 kilometers from The village of Svistunovka, in my opinion, is called.There they unloaded in touchdown, not even a forest belt, yet just a touchdown, unloaded and also sat. They claimed front area simply rest, we possibly rested there for two weeks. Then our company commander said: I will certainly not lead people anywhere, God forbid, they will certainly die. I claim I ' m not going anywhere. There the order involved go someplace, and also FSB took him. Who did he inform? Over the employer. I personally don ' t recognize. Were the higher authorities with you also? They came often. Some significant basic. He said: I will certainly not lead people anywhere, and he was removed on the night of the FSB. Just how do you know that the FSB? Somebody saw it there, they stated that it was like exactly how the FSB took him away.The following day they developed for every person, a major general arrived, the commander
of this corps( Usiv?). What ' s his name? I have no suggestion, I put on ' t job there. This'major general arrived, started'there speeches to speak: witness, you are in the territories, nothing will certainly occur below, every little thing is fine, why are you so rebellious claims, here are the points they provided you We say we have absolutely nothing no nightlights, no thermal imagers, 0:18:36.059,0:18:43.260 no individual first-aid sets- nothing.He: oh, they will provide you every little thing.
That is, everything will certainly be delivered. And the firm leader was returned that day, and also the next day we were sent out to the town of Novoselki, in my point of view, if my memory serves me right. Either Novoselovo, or Novoselki. sent out there, they stated: take these positions. So we were in your house. In a household structure? Yes, a residential building, there is no one there, rest below. Launched. Enjoy once more, below is the front, the field is visible with the window. We were resting there, weapons was functioning. I put on'' t understand, ours, not ours, however alongside us she worked for us, that is flew nearby. As well as how was the food?
0:19:27.120,0:19:31.820 With food in this house? For the 2nd time, you dropped in, you were standing there someplace. The second time we currently, as the set in motion drove in, first on the first day they offered a completely dry assignment per individual, on the 2nd day dry provisions for three individuals, and then on the third day we generally it ended up that completely dry rations for the workplace, for 7, and after that already there began to somehow carry warm food, yet they brought, that is, water with cabbage or sticky pasta. And also, we saw such financial institutions, and there one such cabbage swims, as well as it is composed on the financial institution “we do not leave our very own”? No, there is cabbage soup, such a huge Talon (??) was brought, and also right here is one ladle in a bowler hat per person.
0:20:14.059,0:20:19.700 Ladle, I wear'' t understand, 100 grams, maybe.Is it virtually water? Water with cabbage, water with preference is simple. Have you eaten? No. There, as I understand it, there were no regional citizens, spins and storages or was it? Did not have. And also now you are being in this home. We are resting in this house, artillery is functioning, zips us there, you can listen to, as well as when it starts solid, we go to the basement. So it was till the third day, on the 3rd day flew right under windows of your home, everything began to crumble. We had two branches in this home, we went to the cellar, beinged in the basement and heard how every little thing explodes, and afterwards heard a voice shouted to us: to leave the basement, lay down your weapons. We laid down our tools in the cellar where to go, that'' s all. We go out, look, division Ukrainian soldiers “” Kraken”. We were all taken, counted, sent to ourselves, I put on'' t understand where they are based. Well, they blindfolded, obviously, they
took me there.We rested there for two days from there we were delivered to a few other location, we drove for a very long time, additionally did not see anything, There already, too, thus a space was. Your journey in bondage is of little interest to us, by and also huge. They are of little passion in all. Do you wish to inform something else? No, after that it functions.
0:22:04.020,0:22:10.580 Whatever, I'' ve simply involved this. Are you being fed in bondage? Yes. Better than at the front? Let'' s compare. Better. Did you consume today? Not yet, not brought yet. Therefore they feed, yes. There was an air assault. And pilaf, and also buckwheat. Not cabbage soup? Not cabbage soup. We want background which was prior to your captivity.And in captivity they feed you, mock you? No. Did you cut something? They didn ' t cut anything. They feed', there are beds, have an area to sleep. Concerning your remain at the front 0:22:58.740,0:23:05.039
in the Russian military. Did you have such a viewpoint concerning the Russian army? This is exactly how it should all happen situation of battle? This shouldn ' t occur. There must be apparel support, much like, in concept, crazes and weapons, in everything, and jobs must be accurately connected, what and also just how to do. However they are activating you currently all types of homeless individuals, convicts are extracted from jails. I wear ' t recognize regarding prison. It is here with you. They are probably required to some personal armed forces business, I think. A personal armed forces firm is an additional issue. Do you have a law? I don’t know. You don ' t have it. You have a mercenary regulation that it is prohibited and also this is in fact a mercenary. I have no concept regarding this. We discussed how negative whatever exists with safety, whatever else.And now the ethical side. Is it necessary as a whole, and if required, why? That requires? Is this battle necessary? Nobody desires this war. I believe that neither one structure neither the 2nd. If nobody wanted her, she wouldn'' t exist. This currently indicates over someone makes a decision something there. Zelensky determined that Russian troops should enter? Either in Russia they decided, or in Ukraine, I have no idea. Could Ukraine decide? I assume not, because exactly how would you your land here in Ukraine, you protect it.It ' s the like attacking Russia I would certainly quit my job and also take a gun as well as went to protect his country. As well as they would certainly be right. However below everything is specifically the contrary. Truthfully, I put on'' t recognize why it began. The activated definitely do not require it, I assume agreement soldiers this is likewise not needed, everybody has a family members, everybody has youngsters, their own life. Were there amongst you for the initial or 2nd time such soldiers or policemans that aspired to eliminate? The very first time was alone.This is for the amount of individuals? For the entire business, for 70, he was the just one. It was he that passed away. Well, right here, as it were, his destiny, I think was greatly an inevitable verdict, yet I'' m extra curious about why was he torn? No suggestion.
0:25:23.220,0:25:27.840 But he had no family members, no partner, no moms and dads, that is, one, as it were. And also just how did you understand that he was torn? He claimed it himself, he claims: I desire I put on'' t wish to leave here.That is,
everybody wished to go residence quicker, hoping that it will all end, that is, they were waiting there some arrangements. That is, we had no news, as if according to reports it appears that something ought to be described there in the negotiations, and also he said: there is no factor to leave, I want to remain below again. As well as when did he pass away? I headed out and also after possibly 2-3 weeks, as I was currently in Russia, the guys currently told me that he passed away, and already released his picture in public. As I understand it, those that did not appear, were already under a move when ours went.I do not recognize. Maybe, I have no idea how they got there. Or possibly he just fell somewhere he damaged his neck, this is also feasible. We don'' t know any longer. Will we call? Allow'' s try. I ' ve been attempting all this time around. She is on WhatsApp as well as Telegram, however she has not obtained a message anywhere. Doesn'' t solution. I see that our Dmitro Nikolayevich is trying telephone call, and also he is not really successful.So, at the office, more than likely. She functions from 11, in my point of view, in the early morning as well as there when it happens, prior to one o'' clock, till three in the early morning, “Relief Center”, stationery, store owner. Exists no connection? Phones are out there. The proprietor hands over the phone? They lease, they have a company like Moscow, they have everything strictly there, they hand over their phones, i.e. put in cupboards. Given that the moment zone is essentially the very same, she ought to go to work now. What about time? Yes, of course, it works now lunch will certainly be she has hrs at 6 pm. Send a voice, say whatever you intend to state. Hey mama, we'' ve been taken detainee however nothing happened to us we are right here. attempt it somehow get in touch with the army registration and enlistment workplace or another thing, 0:27:39.840,0:27:46.320 to decide something regarding the exchange. As a whole everything is excellent. Now we'' ve arrived rest and talk with bloggers, whatever is great, they feed, they don’t beat, whatever is fine The most vital, send out one more video clip for her to take our videos as well as selected them to verify that you were in captivity.Where can you find
the video? Vladimir Zolkin.On the Internet, on YouTube, after that you will certainly kind Vladimir Zolkin, we are now shooting a video, so you can prove that I'' m a detainee I am, not missing. You properly claimed. I think to take a picture as well as send simply in instance. Right here you will certainly find this channel as well as you will discover the video clip, where there is a tale with me, there I tell, I'' m chatting so you can verify that I'' m alive that I ' m in captivity, not missing out on Many thanks a great deal. Million clients, why so few? They believe it'' s slander or something. Slander? Well, maybe someone thinks so, believes, propaganda is still functioning great in all countries. Not propaganda, however disinformation, shared improperly. That'' s what we ' re doing now, is it publicity? No, this is a conversation.Two individuals from different countries, and also in truth
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conversation, what'' s going on. Russians might view this as counter-propaganda. May be I do not recognize. It'' s regular that the Russians view it by doing this, it is even, as a matter of fact, the case. Do you recognize what is the difference in between, as an example, Russian propagandists and also, for instance, me? In what? The reality that they shout that you need to go to Kyiv, and also shouted, but I don'' t scream.You are trying to communicate to people. They discuss all types of rubbish warranting this by the need to die and also kill. And also I'' m discussing the fact that this is nonsense. We can experience all these points. I see that you are not particularly curious about this. Have you heard anything about combating insects, as an example? No. Nebendzia was speaking about dealing with insects. About contaminated birds? Didn'' t hear it either. Possibly you saw a great deal of Nazis right here? I didn'' t see the Nazis below. NATO participants? I even spoke with people of the very same viewpoint, they say we protect their nation, average employees. I'' m simply claiming why there are few customers, I put on'' t understand either, because we for virtually 9 months we record these videos with you.I just obtain tired of scanning them, there are a whole lot right here, and all these videos show real stories start with us from the first day of the battle. Individuals who were recorded at the very start, told, and also currently you generally, you have a combo – a dual tale, you took care of twice, this is an unique story as a whole. Yet the fact is that if they are from the first days created that this is a fake, it'' s still possible was in some way, now you can go back to any one of our semi-annual video clips, e.g. prescription as well as compare with what actually took place, and also understand what it is and also there are actually genuine stories, a million customers is absolutely nothing. It'' s not that I'' m battling for clients, I ' m defending the battle to finish. And for it to finish, there have to be at the very least 50 numerous them, and the Russians who will listen as well as draw final thoughts normal.I assume it
will be in advance. Dmitry Nikolaevich, do you have any kind of inquiries? I have no. Russians, finally start paying attention a little, because now the screenshot published me on Telegram, your media cover that the Russian woman stated that if I recognized that there is a real war, I would certainly put down with bones and also not send my husband there, so my husband wouldn'' t go there. So we'' ve been speaking all this time that there is a war here, or rather, not even us, not Ukrainians, but your Russians, your individuals that came below, for all this time around they state that it'' s actually happening below. Possibly you'' ll beginning to pay attention a little, since I put on'' t understand now what else need to be done. Did you volunteer? Willingly. Oh wait, I neglected. Pass something to other Russians, who were going to mobilize in Ukraine, because they were informed that they will certainly not battle. Much better not set in motion since I'' m activated myself as well as I remain in bondage, that is, you can send out in breakthrough, and anywhere, do refrain from doing this, remain at home, live your life.I do not agree with one thesis that they can. Will certainly most likely ship. It can be thought that they can not as well as according to your experience they send. Yes, according to our experience they do. Dmitry Nikolaevich, switch off the light.
